Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

05/02/2006 08:30 AM House FINANCE


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+= HB 381 TOBACCO REV. FOR UNIV. & CORR. FACILITIES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 381(FIN) Out of Committee
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ SB 171 NPR-A COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 171(CRA) Out of Committee
+ SB 315 DISPOSITION OF UNREDEEMED PROPERTY TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                        May 2, 2006                                                                                             
                         8:46 A.M.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer called the House  Finance Committee meeting to                                                                   
order at 8:46:47 AM.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Jim Holm                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Bruce Weyhrauch                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Gary  Wilken;  Senator Danny  Olson;  Pete  Ecklund,                                                                   
Staff,   Representative    Kevin   Meyer;    Bryan   Butcher,                                                                   
Legislative  Liaison,  Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation;                                                                   
Annette Skibinski,  Staff, Senator John Cowdery;  Terry Lutz,                                                                   
Chief Financial Institution Examiner,  Division of Insurance,                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Joe  Dubler,  Director  of Finance,  Alaska  Housing  Finance                                                                   
Corporation,  Anchorage; Mike  Black,  Director, Division  of                                                                   
Community  Advocacy,  Department  of  Commerce,  Community  &                                                                   
Economic  Development,  Anchorage;  Clyde (Ed)  Sniffen  Jr.,                                                                   
Assistant Attorney General, Department of Law, Anchorage                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 381    An Act  relating to the financing  of construction,                                                                   
          major  maintenance,  and renovation  of  facilities                                                                   
          for  the  University  of Alaska;  relating  to  the                                                                   
          financing   of  construction   of  a   correctional                                                                   
          facility;  authorizing the commissioner  of revenue                                                                   
          to  sell the  right  to receive  a  portion of  the                                                                   
          anticipated  revenue   from  a  tobacco  litigation                                                                   
          settlement  to the Northern Tobacco  Securitization                                                                   
          Corporation,  with  the proceeds  of  that sale  to                                                                   
          finance   construction,   major  maintenance,   and                                                                   
          renovation  of  facilities  for the  University  of                                                                   
          Alaska  and  to  finance   the  construction  of  a                                                                   
          correctional    facility;    providing   for    the                                                                   
          establishment   of  funds  for  deposit   of  those                                                                   
          proceeds; authorizing  the issuance of bonds by the                                                                   
          Northern  Tobacco  Securitization  Corporation  for                                                                   
          the  purpose of  acquiring the  right to receive  a                                                                   
          portion  of  anticipated  revenue  from  a  tobacco                                                                   
          litigation   settlement;  and   providing  for   an                                                                   
          effective date.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          CS HB 381 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with                                                                    
          a "do  pass" recommendation  and with zero  note #1                                                                   
          by the Department of Administration.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS SB 171(FIN)(efd fld)                                                                                                         
          An  Act amending the  National Petroleum  Reserve -                                                                   
          Alaska special  revenue fund; and  establishing the                                                                   
          Special Legislative  Oil and Gas  NPR-A Development                                                                   
          Impact  Review Committee  and  defining its  powers                                                                   
          and duties.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          HCS CS  SB 171(CRA)  was reported out  of Committee                                                                   
          with   a  "no  recommendation"   and  with   a  new                                                                   
          indeterminate  note  by the  Alaska Permanent  Fund                                                                   
          Corporation  and new zero notes by  the Legislative                                                                   
          Affairs  Agency  and  the Department  of  Commerce,                                                                   
          Community & Economic Development.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS SB 315(L&C)                                                                                                                  
          An  Act relating to  the disposition of  unredeemed                                                                   
          property; and providing for an effective date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          CS SB 305 (L&C) was  reported out of Committee with                                                                   
          a "no recommendation"  and with zero note #1 by the                                                                   
          Department   of  Commerce,  Community   &  Economic                                                                   
          Development.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:47:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 381                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to the financing  of construction, major                                                                   
     maintenance,  and  renovation   of  facilities  for  the                                                                   
     University  of  Alaska;  relating  to the  financing  of                                                                   
     construction  of  a correctional  facility;  authorizing                                                                   
     the  commissioner  of  revenue  to  sell  the  right  to                                                                   
     receive  a portion  of the  anticipated  revenue from  a                                                                   
     tobacco  litigation settlement  to the Northern  Tobacco                                                                   
     Securitization  Corporation, with  the proceeds  of that                                                                   
     sale  to finance  construction,  major maintenance,  and                                                                   
     renovation  of facilities for  the University  of Alaska                                                                   
     and  to  finance  the  construction  of  a  correctional                                                                   
     facility; providing  for the establishment  of funds for                                                                   
     deposit of  those proceeds; authorizing the  issuance of                                                                   
     bonds   by    the   Northern   Tobacco    Securitization                                                                   
     Corporation  for the purpose  of acquiring the  right to                                                                   
     receive a portion of anticipated  revenue from a tobacco                                                                   
     litigation  settlement; and  providing for an  effective                                                                   
     date.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault MOVED to ADOPT  work draft #24-GH2071\I, as                                                                   
the version  of the bill before  the Committee.   There being                                                                   
NO OBEJCTION, it was adopted.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PETE ECKLUND,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  KEVIN MEYER,  explained                                                                   
the  bill  relates   to  financing  of   construction,  major                                                                   
maintenance and  renovation of facilities for  the University                                                                   
of Alaska  and a correctional  facility.  It would  authorize                                                                   
the  Department  of  Revenue   Commissioner  for  the  Alaska                                                                   
Housing  Finance  Corporation (AHFC)  to  sell  the right  to                                                                   
acquire rights to  receive 80% of the proceeds  of the Master                                                                   
Settlement Agreement  (MSA) to  sell bonds.  The  legislation                                                                   
is expected  to generated $140  million bond proceed  dollars                                                                   
to be used for capital projects across the State.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:49:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN BUTCHER, LEGISLATIVE LIAISON,  GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS &                                                                   
PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIRECTOR, ALASKA  HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION,                                                                   
noted  that AHFC's  Director of  Finance, Joe  Dubler was  on                                                                   
line to answer questions of the Committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked the  amount of  time restricted  by the                                                                   
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:50:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  DUBLER,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  DIRECTOR  OF                                                                   
FINANCE,  ALASKA  HOUSING  FINANCE   CORPORATION,  ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
stated that  the restructured  bonds expected  to be  sold in                                                                   
2006 would  mature in  2039, with a  final maturity  in 2048.                                                                   
The  bonds  include  a  "turbo   feature",  which  would  set                                                                   
required debt service  at a low level.  All  received surplus                                                                   
would be used to redeem bonds at an accelerated rate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:51:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  inquired the  range of  interest rates.   Mr.                                                                   
Dubler noted  that the capital  market moves quickly,  but if                                                                   
sold today,  it would be  between 4.75%  to 5% with  the 2001                                                                   
refunding.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer   inquired  the  impact  of   stretching  the                                                                   
maturity  date.   Mr. Dubler  explained the  further out  the                                                                   
date moves,  the more  risk for the  investor and  the higher                                                                   
the rate.   AHFC  does not recommend  the longer-term  bonds,                                                                   
moving up to 8%.   The longer ones are "non-rated"  bonds and                                                                   
demand a higher rate, as they are more risky.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if AHFC  was comfortable with  the 2040                                                                   
expiration date.  Mr. Dubler said  they were comfortable with                                                                   
it; the associated  revenues for debt service  would be about                                                                   
$355 million  future value  dollars, including the  principal                                                                   
and interest.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  pointed out that  the bulk would be  used for                                                                   
University capital projects.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:54:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault MOVED to REPORT  out CS HB 381 (FIN) out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying zero note.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was so                                                                   
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CS HB  381 (FIN)  was reported  out of  Committee with  a "do                                                                   
pass" recommendation and with  zero note #1 by the Department                                                                   
of Administration.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE:       8:55:33 AM                                                                                                     
RECONVENE:     8:56:59 AM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 171(FIN)(efd fld)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     An Act amending the National  Petroleum Reserve - Alaska                                                                   
     special  revenue  fund;  and  establishing  the  Special                                                                   
     Legislative Oil and Gas NPR-A  Development Impact Review                                                                   
     Committee and defining its powers and duties.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY  WILKEN, SPONSOR, explained  that HCS CS  SB 171                                                                   
(CRA)  centers on  the National  Petroleum  Reserve -  Alaska                                                                   
(NPR-A), a well-known  federal reserve, rich in  gas and oil.                                                                   
The  State  of Alaska  is  poised  to receive  a  significant                                                                   
amount of money from lease sales,  exploration and production                                                                   
of oil and gas, which is the focus of the bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken continued,  the bounty of NPR-A  is thought to                                                                   
match or  exceed the  oil and gas  deposits found  at Prudhoe                                                                   
Bay or Kuparuk.  All Alaskans  look forward to the time, they                                                                   
can  enjoy   the  benefits  of  reasonable   and  responsible                                                                   
development of these natural resources.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
When  members of  the  U.S. Congress  authorized  competitive                                                                   
leases in NPR-A in 1980, they  recognized that development in                                                                   
the petroleum  reserve might  severely impact communities  in                                                                   
or near  that area.   The federal  legislation directed  that                                                                   
the  revenue  generated  through NPR-A  development  be  used                                                                   
first to mitigate direct impacts,  if any, to municipalities,                                                                   
and then by the rest of the State  of Alaska.  Senator Wilken                                                                   
maintained that federal dictate  is in direct conflict to the                                                                   
Alaska State Constitution.  The  State of Alaska receives 50%                                                                   
royalties   and  lease   payments  from   the  oil   and  gas                                                                   
development  in  NPR-A  from  the  federal  government.    As                                                                   
required  by federal law,  those funds  are available  before                                                                   
consideration  of any  other public  purpose, to  communities                                                                   
that demonstrate  impact from resource development  in NPR-A.                                                                   
Unfortunately,  the directive  is  at odds  with Article  IX,                                                                   
Section 15 of the Alaska State constitution.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  pointed out  that since  1983, the  State has                                                                   
received $167.6 million dollars  from development within NPR-                                                                   
A & $122  million dollars since  2000.  But only 6%  of NPR-A                                                                   
receipts have  been deposited into the Alaska  Permanent Fund                                                                   
since the turn of the century.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HCS  CS SB  171 (CRA)  recognizes  the conflict  and puts  in                                                                   
place a  mechanism to help  ensure that the Alaska  Permanent                                                                   
Fund receives, to  the extent allowed under  federal law, 25%                                                                   
of all  oil and gas lease  rentals and royalties  as directed                                                                   
by  the Alaska  State Constitution.   In  addition, the  bill                                                                   
requires that appropriations made  as NPR-A funded grants, be                                                                   
identified and the  amounts of each grant be  specified in an                                                                   
appropriation bill as other capital appropriations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken maintained  that it is  important to  address                                                                   
the conflict between  the State Constitution  and federal law                                                                   
and  to determine  how  the federal  NPR-A  payments will  be                                                                   
distributed to  Alaskan communities  that may be  impacted by                                                                   
oil  and  gas  development  within   the  National  Petroleum                                                                   
Reserve.   He commented that  in the "spirit  of compromise",                                                                   
the issue was set-aside for another time.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  provided  a   slide  presentation  from  the                                                                   
handout:   SB 171  - HCS CS  SB 171 (CRA).   (Copy  on File).                                                                   
Every Alaskan  citizen obtained a newsletter  from the Alaska                                                                   
Permanent  Fund  Corporation,   providing  an  "impact  fund"                                                                   
statement.   The  fund was  created in  1980 through  federal                                                                   
legislation.   The  Alaska State  Constitution requires  that                                                                   
25%  be deposited  into  the  Permanent  Fund.   Since  1980,                                                                   
Alaska has received  $167.6 million dollars from  oil and gas                                                                   
development  in National  Petroleum  Reserve-Alaska  (NPR-A);                                                                   
however, to date,  only 15% of that money has  been deposited                                                                   
into the fund.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:03:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  continued,  Page   2  highlights  the  total                                                                   
program distribution of $167.6 million dollars:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   · NPR-A Community Grants receiving 59% @ $100 million                                                                        
     dollars;                                                                                                                   
   · The Permanent Fund received 15% @ $25.7 million                                                                            
     dollars;                                                                                                                   
   · Power Cost Equalization (PCE) was funded at 13% @ $21.4                                                                    
     million dollars;                                                                                                           
   · General Fund received 12% @ $202 million dollars.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
A following graph highlights distribution  of funds from 2000                                                                   
to 2006 of the $112.4 million dollars:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ·    NPR-A community grants of $83 million dollars @                                                                       
          75%;                                                                                                                  
     ·    Permanent Fund amount of $7.2 million dollars @                                                                       
          6%;                                                                                                                   
     ·    Power Cost Equalization (PCE) amount of $12.4                                                                         
          million dollars @ 19%.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  pointed  out  that  through  Alaska's  NPR-A                                                                   
receipts  received  since 1983,  a  total of  $104.2  million                                                                   
dollars was awarded to four communities statewide.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:06:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  continued,  Page  3  identifies  the  NPR-A,                                                                   
consisting of 23.5  million acres of petroleum  reserves.  It                                                                   
is located in the Northwest third  of Alaska's arctic between                                                                   
the Brooks  Range and the Arctic  Ocean and contains  the new                                                                   
oil lease sale proposed for Fall 2006.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He observed the NPR-A oil and gas activity areas:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        · Wainwright     220 miles                                                                                              
        · Barrow         160 miles                                                                                              
        · Nuiqsut          8 miles                                                                                              
        · Atqasuk        160 miles                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:07:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken provided a brief history of NPR-A:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · 1923 - President Warren Harding established the Naval                                                                      
     Petroleum Reserve, which was renamed the National                                                                          
     Petroleum Reserve-Alaska in 1976.                                                                                          
   · 1980 - Congress authorized competitive leases in NPR-A.                                                                    
   · 1980 - The State of Alaska to receive 50% of the total                                                                     
     revenue from NPR-A leases; impacted communities                                                                            
     were given a priority to the revenue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:08:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  continued, Page 5 outlines  conflicting laws.                                                                   
Under the  federal law, the priority  use for NPR-A  funds by                                                                   
communities  most  directly  or   severely  impacted  by  the                                                                   
development of oil and gas within their area.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Without a State  law on the books, the  Legislature deposited                                                                   
half of the State's share into  the Permanent Fund and .5% to                                                                   
the School  Trust.  The  Legislature deposited  the remainder                                                                   
of the funds into the General Fund.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
A Court  suit followed and in  1985, the North  Slope Borough                                                                   
and  NPR-A communities  sued the  State.   In 1986,  Superior                                                                   
Court Judge Carpeneti ruled that:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · Automatic deposits into the Permanent Fund violate                                                                         
     federal law;                                                                                                               
   · The State of Alaska has a mandatory duty to address                                                                        
     NPR-A development related impact needs; and                                                                                
   · The duty imposed by the federal government ultimately                                                                      
     falls upon the Alaska Legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:09:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken pointed  out the three levels of  law that the                                                                   
State works under  - federal law (42 USC 6508),  Alaska State                                                                   
law (AS 37.05.530) and Alaska regulations (3 AAC 150.050).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:11:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  explained how the  bill process works.   Last                                                                   
year, there  was $30 million  dollars coming from  the NPR-A.                                                                   
In that process, the $30 million  dollars removes the grants,                                                                   
which  last  year  totaled $24  million  dollars  leaving  $6                                                                   
million and  takes 25% of  that amount  & places it  into the                                                                   
Permanent Fund.   The 25%  calculation comes from  the bottom                                                                   
number, but  SB 171  would move that  calculation to  the top                                                                   
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:12:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken emphasized that  "now is the time" to consider                                                                   
SB 171 and recognize the obligation  that the Legislature has                                                                   
to Alaska's  constitution by  insuring that  at least  25% of                                                                   
the bounty  received from development  in NPR-A  be deposited                                                                   
into the  Permanent Fund  as directed  by Article 9,  Section                                                                   
15.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  inquired   if  there  would  be  a  grant                                                                   
mechanism change.   Senator Wilken noted in  hopes of seeking                                                                   
"middle ground",  that portion of  the bill had  been removed                                                                   
in  the House  Community &  Regional Affairs  Committee.   He                                                                   
added that the  allocation information will  be available and                                                                   
addressed next year.   He pointed out that  the proposed bill                                                                   
"is not just another grant program".                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:15:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  inquired about possible  constitutional                                                                   
challenges.   Senator Wilken stated  he was comfortable  with                                                                   
the  proposed program  and  that the  federal  and state  law                                                                   
regulations would  remain in place.  The basic  structure has                                                                   
not changed, only the obligated amount.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  was  surprised   with  the  amount  of                                                                   
grants; he asked the definition  of "impact".  Senator Wilken                                                                   
acknowledged  that  the  definition   had  been  a  point  of                                                                   
contention.  There  is more to the legislation  than that and                                                                   
urged consideration  of such items  as free gas from  the gas                                                                   
pipeline, a positive bed tax, and economic development.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  indicated  that   the  North  Slope  Borough                                                                   
receives a tremendous amount of  impact monies.  In 2005, the                                                                   
State of  Alaska agreed  that rather  than each  municipality                                                                   
taxing the  oil companies,  instead, they  would pay  20 mils                                                                   
into  all investments  in  Alaska.   Last  year, that  amount                                                                   
yielded  $260 million  dollars into  the General  Fund.   The                                                                   
communities can  also "grab" some of those  dollars depending                                                                   
on  how they  tax themselves.   Fairbanks  received about  $4                                                                   
million dollars of  that money; the North Slope  Borough last                                                                   
year received  $189 million dollars;  Valdez got  $13 million                                                                   
dollars; Kenai received $7 million  dollars leaving about $45                                                                   
million  dollars placed  into the  General Fund.   There  are                                                                   
many  items  that  are  the direct  result  of  oil  and  gas                                                                   
development.   He  submitted that  each person  in the  North                                                                   
Slope   Borough  received   approximately   $32,500   dollars                                                                   
indirectly from these funds.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken emphasized that  there is an area of the State                                                                   
receiving an  unfair amount of  money from the  General Fund.                                                                   
He  thought that  was payment  for  "impact" deserved  honest                                                                   
discussion regarding those impacts.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:20:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holm understood  that in  the House  Regional                                                                   
Affairs (CRA)  Committee, there  was an attempted  compromise                                                                   
discussion.   Senator  Wilken acknowledged  the concerns  and                                                                   
explained  that  the  Committee  attempted  to  reach  middle                                                                   
ground   and  that   there  was   discussion  regarding   the                                                                   
definition of "impact".                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:22:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  inquired if the  North Slope Borough  did not                                                                   
receive the funds,  would they be requesting  greater General                                                                   
Funds to  cover area  costs.   Senator Wilken disagreed  that                                                                   
funds should  "just slide  through" pointing  out that  every                                                                   
community   is  included   in   the  capital   budget.     He                                                                   
acknowledged   that  their  general   fund  capital   project                                                                   
requests  had been in  the lower  percentages; however,  last                                                                   
year,   $183  million   dollars   of  General   Fund   monies                                                                   
automatically went to them.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:24:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holm questioned  other alternatives, which had                                                                   
been offered  during the Committee  process.   Senator Wilken                                                                   
noted he had been working on the  bill for two years and that                                                                   
his office  had made requests  from both the  communities and                                                                   
the various  departments affected  for recommendation.   That                                                                   
effort produced no results.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:25:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly thought  it would be  good to  pass the                                                                   
legislation  before the  pipeline  goes in.   Senator  Wilken                                                                   
surmised that money  is now starting to flow  and the concern                                                                   
should be addressed.   Doing it right means  changing federal                                                                   
law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:26:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer understood  that a  temporary compromise  had                                                                   
been reached.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:27:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE   BLACK,  (TESTIFIED   VIA  TELECONFERENCE),   DIRECTOR,                                                                   
DIVISION  OF  COMMUNITY  ADVOCACY,  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMERCE,                                                                   
COMMUNITY  &  ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,  ANCHORAGE,  offered  to                                                                   
answer questions of the Committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC TESTIMONY WAS CLOSED.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:28:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer pointed out the zero notes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  acknowledged   the  "journey"  of  the                                                                   
legislation.   He addressed the  huge impacts  of development                                                                   
to the people  living on the  North Slope.  Such  impacts are                                                                   
not  always apparent;  however,  being a  part  of a  hunting                                                                   
society,   there   are   many   concerns   with   encroaching                                                                   
development.      The   legislation  does   not   take   into                                                                   
consideration the  core beliefs  and spiritual issues  of the                                                                   
people most affected.   That population experiences  a strong                                                                   
tie to  the land and  the resources.   The legislation  would                                                                   
detrimentally impact  those people.   He emphasized  that the                                                                   
concept is spiritual  and a highly emotional  issue for these                                                                   
people.  The  North Slope has  the ability to do the  tax, as                                                                   
they should, which  was the initial agreement  with the State                                                                   
of Alaska.   He noted  he represents  the entire  North Slope                                                                   
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:32:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule pointed  out that  over the years,  the                                                                   
people of  the North  Slope have been  vocal partners  in the                                                                   
development of  the oil and  gas resources.   He said  he was                                                                   
concerned about passage of the legislation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:33:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer understood  that and knew it  was important to                                                                   
keep good relations with the North  Slope as the area impacts                                                                   
90% of State revenues.  He emphasized  the many concerns that                                                                   
will fall upon  the State to provide, if the  money is taken.                                                                   
One such area would be search and rescue provisions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  agreed there  have  been accidents  in                                                                   
which the North  Slope Borough provided the  first response -                                                                   
a direct  result of the  use of the  NPR-A monies.   He added                                                                   
that there  are many good things  that have come as  a result                                                                   
of using these  funds.  The new Mayor and  his Administration                                                                   
are paying  close attention to  requests to make  the program                                                                   
better and stronger.  He urged reconsideration of the bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer stated that the  bill brings further attention                                                                   
to the Petroleum Production Tax (PPT) concerns.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:37:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Weyhrauch understood  that  the intention  of                                                                   
the bill  was a priority  change, moving  25% off the  top to                                                                   
the  Permanent  Fund.    Senator   Wilken  replied  that  the                                                                   
obligation of the Permanent Fund  under current law is 25% of                                                                   
the net;  SB 171 makes  the obligation  25% of the  gross and                                                                   
before grants.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch  noted that it would  impact federal                                                                   
law, "trumping"  the State law  and would still  be available                                                                   
for  litigation.   He understood  that the  bill attempts  to                                                                   
craft   the  State's   obligation  with   what  the   federal                                                                   
government has  dictated.  Senator Wilken  agreed, suggesting                                                                   
that it is another "subsistence" issue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Weyhrauch  pointed  out  the  distinction  of                                                                   
addressing NPR-A impacts to communities  closest to the NPR-A                                                                   
resource.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:41:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze MOVED to REPORT  HCS CS SB 171  (CRA) out                                                                   
of Committee  with  individual recommendations  and with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HCS CS SB 171(CRA)  was reported out of Committee  with a "no                                                                   
recommendation"  and with  a new  indeterminate  note by  the                                                                   
Alaska Permanent  Fund Corporation and new zero  notes by the                                                                   
Legislative Affairs  Agency and  the Department  of Commerce,                                                                   
Community & Economic Development.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:41:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 315(L&C)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to the disposition of unredeemed                                                                           
     property; and providing for an effective date.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE  SKIBINSKI, STAFF,  SENATOR  JOHN COWDERY,  explained                                                                   
that pawns  are collateralized  loans, whereby an  individual                                                                   
borrows money  against an item  and leaves the item  with the                                                                   
pawnshop.  The pawner (individual  bringing the item in), has                                                                   
60-days  to make an  interest  payment or pay  off the  loan.                                                                   
Failure to  do so results in  an unredeemed pawn  item, which                                                                   
becomes the property of the pawnshop and can be sold.                                                                           
Ms. Skibinski explained how unredeemed  property currently is                                                                   
handled,  which would  be  changed with  passage  of SB  315.                                                                   
Pawn loan limits  have been regulated by statute  since 1949.                                                                   
Since that time,  the issue has been revised  twice, the last                                                                   
time 13 years ago.  The sale of  unredeemed property has been                                                                   
regulated by statute  since 1981.  Two different  issues were                                                                   
raised in those statutes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · The first is a pawn limit, the maximum amount that can                                                                     
     be loaned on any single item.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · The second is the handling of unredeemed property.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She pointed  out that  the pawn  loan limit  has been  raised                                                                   
over the  years.  Obviously,  the value  of a dollar  and the                                                                   
consumer  price index  has  made the  change  necessary.   In                                                                   
1993, when  the pawn  loan limit  was raised, the  unredeemed                                                                   
property provision remained the  same, causing a disparity in                                                                   
the pawn loan limit to the unredeemed property amount.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Skibinski concluded  that SB 315 restores  the ratio that                                                                   
was  originally  established  between pawn  loan  limits  and                                                                   
unredeemed property.   It does not change the  $500 pawn loan                                                                   
limit,  but  changes  the  language  regarding  the  sale  of                                                                   
unredeemed  property from $400  to $1000,  or twice  the pawn                                                                   
loan limit, as was previously the standard set in 1981                                                                          
9:46:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch asked    clarification   about   the                                                                   
impact of the legislation on the public.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CLYDE  (ED)  SNIFFEN  JR.,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),                                                                   
ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,  ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
noted  that consumer  protection  was addressed  by  language                                                                   
inserted at the  end of the bill and requires  the pawnbroker                                                                   
to  provide the  consumer with  notice  that if  they do  not                                                                   
redeem their  property, it becomes  subject to sale.    Those                                                                   
types of transactions  usually pertain to consumers  that are                                                                   
in dire need.  The Department  of Law requested that language                                                                   
to provide protection for the consumer.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:48:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch inquired     how    pawnshops    are                                                                   
regulated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TERRY LUTZ,  CHIEF FINANCIAL  INSTITUTION EXAMINER,  DIVISION                                                                   
OF BANKING SECURITIES, DEPARTMENT  OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY AND                                                                   
ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,  stated  that they  did  not  regulate                                                                   
small  loan  shops  or  pawn  shops,  which  are  exempt  and                                                                   
confirmed that the municipalities  individually regulate such                                                                   
activities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch asked  what interest  rate could  be                                                                   
legally  charged  under  the  Small Loan's  Act.    Mr.  Lutz                                                                   
responded that  for loans  up to $850  dollars, 36%  per year                                                                   
could be  charged.   Those businesses  are completely  exempt                                                                   
from the Small Loan's Act, so  there is no limitation on what                                                                   
they can charge.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:51:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault MOVED to REPORT  out CS SB 315 (L&C) out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal  note.  There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS SB  315 (L&C)  was reported  out of  Committee with  a "no                                                                   
recommendation" and  with zero note  #1 by the  Department of                                                                   
Commerce, Community & Economic Development.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:53 A.M.                                                                                          

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